https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantCrypticLocustNerfRedBlaster Streamed Xaskazien win by Dynast! Tons of enemies are willing to walk into dangerous terrian though, you might need to check into that.
Caverns of Xaskazien II
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Ha! That's probably a holdover bit of legacy code from when Xaskazien was 100 percent immune to heat damage. His resistances are randomized now.
Having watched the full video (found it here: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Caverns%20of%20Xaskazien/videos/all), I think you're right - maybe I'll try doubling their hesitation to enter dangerous squares.
Also spotted 8 errors in the game via his stream! Free playtesting! Hopefully I can repair them soon.
Thanks for calling my attention to it, and thanks to Dynast for playing and recording!
Another Xas vod is up! has some good game discussion in it
Thank you! I'll check that out!
Also, there will be a new patch along potentially. I've been AFK for a while, recovering from an injury. But hopefully that's almost done.
Ah, man, I missed it! It's already gone. Thanks though!
I've been exclusively playing a Half-orc Barb of Hornan, great beginner combo I'd recommend for any new players.. Anyway, I just wanna suggest maybe buffing Hornan's Summon Orc Champion prayer? When its most effective is the first few 1-3 dungeon levels, but its cost makes it so you're not able to actually use it consistently on those floors compared to something cheaper and more appropiate like Strike prayer.
Summons as a whole from my limited experience using Hornan's prayer and wands seem rather weak and quickly become useless 4+ dungeon levels in, thoughts?
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I’m always tweaking and balancing, so good to keep an eye on what other people are experiencing. Coincidentally, the perks I’m just finishing coding are for the Warlock class, which is a spellcaster devoted to summoning. I have a Female Centaur Warlock who worships Talltioward on the go, and my fearful eye has been kept on whether or not summoning is overpowered. But through this playthrough I think I’m realizing it’s okay, at least for now. Let me answer your question with some detailed thoughts.
Firstly, very cool that you’ve found a race/class combo you like. I hadn’t thought about it, but a Barbarian is a perfect starting class, since it pretty effectively removes spellcasting from the table, allowing a player to learn other core mechanics first. I think if someone asked for a beginner combo in the future, an Agnostic Half-Orc Barbarian might be my recommendation, since that would also remove Miracles from the list.
If you’re exclusively playing the same character type, though, it’s important to bear in mind that the experience of other characters would vary widely, making certain things more or less useful. As an example, Hornas’ Striking miracle you mentioned, which costs only 10 Faith Points and allows you to automatically hit on your next swing - I can see how this would be especially devastating for a starting Barbarian character to use. The Barbarian starts with the most powerful weapon among all starting characters - the Small Axe. This is to compensate for their total lack of spell access, but bear in mind its massive damage of 1 to 15, and contrast this with other classes who would start with weapons that do either 1 to 3, 1 to 4, 2 to 4 or 1 to 6, and it immediately becomes clear that Striking serves the starting Barbarian better than any other class. The Small Axe also comes with a massive -18 to hit penalty, so automatically hitting overcomes a big obstacle to its use. A character starting with a Pitchfork, by contrast, has +6 to hit, so Striking, while still useful in many circumstances, is maybe not as necessary to land that blow.
Now let’s look at Summoning spells as a whole. The purpose of summoning is, generally, to bring into play a monster that will go and kill other monsters for you, so let’s compare it to another common way to use magic, which is with direct damage spells. Invisible Hammer, in terms of raw numbers, is the most powerful Low Power direct damage spell, doing 8 to 15 physical damage at a cost of 35 Spell Points. In the early game, this is an insanely powerful spell that can kill most monsters with a single application. But it does have some drawbacks - firstly, it’s only useful against a single monster. Once you’ve cast it, the spell points are gone, and you may now be defenseless against other monsters. Secondly, it only works against the monster in your square, meaning to cast it, you have to first engage in a single round of combat, possibly taking damage, possibly even being killed before getting a chance to cast it. And thirdly, it always does physical damage, limiting its effectiveness against monsters with physical resistance, most notably various types of Golems who would be unaffected.
For 35 Spell Points, you could instead (provided you had access) cast the Summon Minor Fiend spell. This summons a low level Diabolic monster (a monster that would most commonly reside on Dungeon Levels 1 through 10). There are some key advantages to this vs. the Invisible Hammer spell. Firstly, depending on what you summoned, it might be able to kill multiple enemies. On a particularly early dungeon level (say Dungeon Level 1 through 5), there’d be a decent chance the summoned monster would outclass everything else on the level, and could rampage through killing literally every enemy without you ever having to face them, while you still reap all the EXP rewards. Secondly, you don’t have to (in fact, can’t) cast it in a square with an enemy, so you don’t have to put yourself at risk in order to cast it, the way you would with most direct damage spells. Thirdly, the potentially summoned monsters are varied, some having attacks other than physical attacks, so while an Invisible Hammer spell could never affect a Golem, your summoned monster might be able to.
There are drawbacks to Summon Minor Fiend, of course, and that’s that it doesn’t scale as you level up. It’s extremely useful early on, but as you progress deeper in the dungeon, it becomes obsolete. Because of its wide variation in what gets summoned, it’s even possible to use it on Dungeon Level 1 to bring into play a lowly Demonic Larvae, and have that get killed by the first thing it meets, doing no damage whatsoever, so it’s risky. Invisible Hammer isn’t going to kill anything with a single cast beyond a certain depth, either, but it will still do some damage. (Of course, even the Demonic Larvae could get lucky and get a single hit on a Dragon before it dies, but it’s not as sure a thing as Invisible Hammer).
So they both have advantages and disadvantages to balance each other out. Finally let’s compare Summon Orcish Champion to Summon Minor Fiend. With the Miracles, I always did my best to correspond Faith Point costs to the Spell Point costs of an equivalent spell, if one exists, and right away we see that Summon Orcish Champion costs 40 Faith Points instead of Summon Minor Fiend’s 35 Spell Points, so it had better be more powerful, but not too much more powerful. Summon Minor Fiend brings in a monster of random power (again, between level 1 and level 10) with a median of 5.5. Orcs are a level 6 monster, so we’re pretty in line. But the Summon Orcish Champion miracle doesn’t just summon an orc, it summons a buffed up orc, a little more powerful than the average orc, putting its 40 point cost right about on the money.
Like Summon Minor Fiend, Summon Orcish Champion only really has application in the early dungeon levels, but can be devastating there. Again, bear in mind that not every character can go toe to toe with enemies (even lowly enemies) and expect to live the way a Half-Orc Barbarian can. For some (like my Centaur Warlock), summoning monsters to do the dirty work, while fleeing or luring enemy monsters back to where the summoned monster lurks may be the only way to survive
I can see where you're coming form, and it all makes sense to me. Looking at it this way summons themself do seem to be in a good spot, what seems to be more of the issue is that 40 Faith is extremely hard to come by whereas your character can start with the spell points needed to cast a summon spell, and by the time you have it; summoning an Orc Champion isn't as useful as it should be.
Maybe this is more of an issue with Faith gain?
I'll keep an eye on the miracle as I continue to playtest. I don't want Faith to become common - it's meant to be a luxury you need to parse out rarely, unlike spell points which are a far more universal currency (except when it comes to Barbarians :P)
So I've been completely addicted to Caverns since I made my last comment here, its the most fun I've had playing a roguelike since I first discovered them.
I was wondering if you could slightly reduce or maybe give us an option to increase/decrease the map scroll speed with the arrow keys?
Thrilled to hear it :)
I'll look into it. In the meantime, you can also use the mouse, btw. Just right click a square to centre the screen there. If you hold the right mouse button, you can scroll the map around, with the speed dependent on how far the mouse is removed from the centre of the screen.
Fixed it! It'll be in the next update, early to mid-August :)
Glad to hear it! Thank's alot! I'm currently sitting on a level 5 Half-orc Barbarian and just wanted to chime in and say the new Perk system is really cool and I love the flavor it adds to the game! Machoism giving me the occasional EXP from taking damage is really unique and my favorite perk so far.
Erm, you do realize that bright pink on pink is not readable, right? :) I'm talking about the page design.
Interesting. It looks fine on my screen. I'll see if I can casually tweak it without making it look weird.
Hello Mr.Dev, I was wondering what a good beginner race/class combo would be? common sense would say whatever swings the heaviest weapon and takes the most hits, but I wanted your opinion first. Thank you for developing such an awesome and free RL!
I usually randomize everything, to be honest. I would avoid anything with low starting health for a beginner. So no elvish assassins, say. Maybe a Dwarven Warrior? Pretty basic.
P.S. I'm working on a massive new update. It's been slow going, but in addition to adding more content and gameplay improvements than any previous updates, it also fixes a couple of critical bugs. I'll get it out ASAP!
I download Caverns of Xaskazien 2 Ver. 0.78.94 and when it 91% get error
Hmmm... Not sure what would cause this. There's been about 500 downloads and you're the first to mention. Have you tried more than once with the same result?
Linux port possible?
I wouldn't even know how, in truth. If it's a simple process and someone can direct me to info on that process, perhaps.
I there a way to prevent yourself from attacking monsters? I don't like accidentally killing monsters that are faster than me that will make my god angry but it keeps happening.
There are ways to minimize the risk, but no way to just not fight. You can unequip your weapon before encountering them, to ensure you do less damage if you do hit. You can keep your distance where possible (especially from Animal intelligence monsters, as they won't generally approach if you don't get close). You can take steps to discourage them from chasing you like Confusing or Paralyzing them... that's about it, at present.
Might be a neat idea to add a toggleable "Pacifist" button or something where you can turn off your side of the fight, though. Never occurrred to me before. I'll look into it.
Thanks for the idea. I've implemented a new key/button that toggles on or off your swinging at enemy monsters, so you can turn off your side of the combat if you're engaging a monster you don't want to kill (though they'll keep hacking at you). Will be include in the next upload in a couple days.
Sounds awesome! Would it be too much to make a per monster configurable option or something? So maybe for example its default settings are set not to kill monsters in the categories which your god will hate you for killing?
Interesting idea. Hadn't considered it. At present, it'll just be a toggleable option. Won't have time to implement something more complete before the next release. I'll bear it in mind for later.
Scratch what I said. It was too good an idea to pass up, so I've implemented it. You can now toggle your Combat State to Fight, Don't Fight, or Selectively Fight, and can select specific monster types to add or remove from your Selectively Fight list at any time. While set to Selectively Fight, you won't swing at any monster types you've specified in the list. The game defaults to Selectively Fight, with any monsters your deity would prefer you not to kill automatically chosen. (It also defaults to adding Golems to this list, since you won't be able to hurt them in combat at start of game, and trying will just wear down your weapon, though you can remove them or any other monster types from the list at any time).
This stuff seems amazing, but there's a few things I wanna talk about.
1) IMO, fonts are quite bad. I know that it's stylized like this, but it makes stuff much harder to read, for me at least.
2) Why you can move only in 4 sides? Why not use classic 8-sides movement system on numpad which is used in most of roguelikes?
3) Bar buttons should be down here, not on the right side., in my mind. Also, if you moved them, you could make them larger.
4) Why not add high-res suppor instead of making it 1280x720? I mean, yeah, it's in long time development, but...
Anyway, don't take this like I didn't liked the game! It still seems amazing for me, especially when it's so full of different content. I really like it, and hopefully it will be worked on more!
Hey, Fenos. Thanks for the comments. In specific response:
1) The fonts initially used in the game were a deliberate attempt to match (as closely as I could) the fonts I'd used in the original Caverns. However, a lot of people complained that they were hard to read, so it now defaults to something much easier to read (at least in most instances), with the option to toggle back to the gothic fonts if a player wishes. The character creation menu still uses stylized fonts for the large lettering, because the feedback I was getting was that at that scale everything remained legible, even in that style. But if enough people raise this as an issue, I'll switch the fonts on that page, too. Wouldn't be too tricky an issue to address, I don't think. In terms of changing the "new", smaller font (the one I already switched to to make things legible), if that was also deemed hard to read, the one problem would be that since screen co-ordinates remain absolute, and there's finite room to print things in the supplied text boxes, I would have to find something that remained pixel perfect in alignment with the old font. If a printed sentence grew even one or two pixels longer as a result of changing fonts, it could mess up all outputted text and take dozens of hours to realign everything manually (if that was even possible).
2) Initially movement was in all 8 directions for player and monsters. But I hated allowing either to move diagonally between walls or other impassable obstacles (where wall corners abutted, for instance). Imposing the restriction there ended up being a pain in the ass programming-wise, but even more so in gameplay, because players were getting confused as to why they couldn't do so, so I culled it back to 4 directions, and I've since grown used to it in game. I've been playing some Moria lately, and I'll admit when first coming back to Caverns it was jarring for me to have only 4 directional movement, but it wore off quickly, so changing it isn't a high priority. Players who aren't used to roguelikes also find the 4 directional movement easier to grasp, so there's an upside.
3) Not sure what you mean by "Bar buttons" or "down here." If you mean the clickable buttons to change sidescreen tabs, that's the only screen real estate available where they won't overlap anything important. At the bottom of the screen they would need either impinge on the view screen or the Situation Panel. Are those the buttons you're referencing?
4) When I first abandoned Caverns in favour of starting Caverns 2 (in 2010) I was still using a 4:3 monitor. I had recently programmed another tile based game called "The Zombie Nightmare of Fillibree County" and it used 1024*768. Since this was a marked improvement over the original Caverns' 640*480, I just went with it. Today I'm working on a 4K monitor and if I could go back in time, I'd make a different choice. But, cards on the table, I'm not a savvy enough coder to know how to allow players to choose their resolution. And I suppose there may well be some players still out there with 4:3 monitors, so 1024*768 might not be the worst choice... And further cards on the table, screen positions are hard coded - i.e. the game checks absolute X,Y coordinates for the mouse and places things at hard coded specific X,Y coordinates, etc. Changing the resolution now, even just to a new, single specified resolution, would mean months of work. And since the graphics aren't going to be scalable, it would really yield little fruit. Unless I get around to programming COX 3 in 10 or 20 years, this one almost certainly won't change.
Glad you're enjoying the game! The one thing I can promise is even more content... in time.
Just want to say thank you!